In short, Trump’s plan for ending the war in Gaza and initiating a gradual political transformation in the Strip and beyond is a good one - yes, you heard that right.
I don’t think Bibi is going to renege on this deal, because he’d be perceived by Trump as unforgivingly costing him a Nobel :-). And his apology to Qatar may have been part of a mutual understanding for them to pressure Hamas with expulsion and/or funding cut to end the war. Qatar wants to play a major role in the rebuilding, and it would be very difficult for them to do that with Hamas still in place there. (I do think there will be a background Qatar-Hamas deal for the terrorists to remain sub rosa.)
You think international peacekeeping forces are going to last long When constantly being killed or maimed by terrorists?
Any plan that leaves NIMs in GJS is doomed because it fails to recognize what Islam is and what the purpose of NIMs in GJS is.
Anyone trusting Trump is literally an imbecile.
Trump is openly in publicly bribed by five Muslim countries and his treasonous with the Saudis and Qatari.
Unlike the Musk bribe which was all front-ended so Musk lost all power immediately (I predicted I think it was before Trump would even sworn in that much would not last long for exactly that reason. His bribe was stupidly structured)
The Muslim country bribes are in the form of business deals with Trump org or Trump family which allows them to maintain control over Trump or Trump/Family loses the value of the deals if they back out
No one in either party should be tolerating this
Even worsen the bribes is the treason with the Saudis and the Qatari
Trump deserves legal execution for the treason in life in prison for the bribes.
Vance is a conspirator with silence and may have more overt participation
I am heartened that your much more informed standpoint corresponds with my reaction.
I would suggest that a pragmatist looks at this in terms of what it would achieve now -- full hostage release of all hostages held in Gaza and of all Palistinian women and children detained since Oct 7, plus men held in admin detention and several hundred convicted of crimes, including murder. Thats a lot of families, even the ones convicted, whose lives will be bettered in the immediate. The end of active military operations and gradual withdraw of Israel military forces and the establishment of an aid program is also a good thing that would happen right away. If we get even that far, it will have been a success.
The statements of principle are really important too; that Israel will withdraw military once hostages are released and Hamas has relinquired power. That it will not seek to annex areas of the West Bank or to depopulate areas of Gaza. That BN agreed to these terms suggests he is willing to put some daylight between his government and the most toxic portion of his political base.
That al-Thani is said to be on board is also potentially significant. If the government of Qatar is on board, that could suggest Hamas will have less ability to claim to accept it but then walk away as they did in July.
Also potentially significant here is the snapback sanctions this week on Iran. That could significantly limit the IRGC's ability to sustain Hamas as a military and terrorist force.
We could get be at a point where there is a real prospect that Hamas remaining senior leadership in the strip agrees to the terms and leaves subordinate Hamas "members" (vague and problematic term in actual context) and affiliated factions to disarm and participate in a peaceful transition or to depart the strip.
IF we get through that phase, and there is an actual release of the hostages, then the question is what it would mean for the IDF to transfer power to an international security force and for there to be an interim international administration.
I think this is an excellent idea; how would it work in practice is unclear. But that can be worked out later. My hope is that if things do get that far, there will be a real effort to bring into GITA the sorts of people who have a demonstrated commitment to a peaceful, prosperous future for the people of Gaza and that would, one hopes , include you.
The Pallies that tortured, raped and abused the Oct. 7 Israeli victims must be brought to justice.
The UN has TWO Conventions prohibiting the taking of hostages, & invoked neither. The Geneva Convention prohibits making war on civilians (including 18 years of Hamas rockets being launched into CIVILIAN AREAS OF ISRAEL. The unreal atrocities visited on those civilians must be avenged. This is not a small thing, & every Palestinian that consented or celebrated said butchery must leave Gaza, at the very least. There must be punishment. This cannot be swept under the rug.
I am encouraged that a sizable % of Gazans recognize that Hamas is evil. That doesn't mean that they are ready to be self-governing. It's a skill & a discipline. But the good news is that anyone can learn & practice it, if willing.
And the vile exterminationist legacy of butcher Haj Amin al-Husseini must be exorcised from the Levant. And Arafat, who died with $4 billion of PLO aid money, intended for the Palestinian people, in his various bank acts, exposed & disavowed.
We will see how it goes. I am hoping, Ahmad, that you may play a valuable part in this. I'm very impressed with your skills & your heart.
Thanks as always for your thoughtful pragmatic optimism Ahmed. May this be the start of profound healing into a better future for all. ❤️🩹🙏
I don’t think Bibi is going to renege on this deal, because he’d be perceived by Trump as unforgivingly costing him a Nobel :-). And his apology to Qatar may have been part of a mutual understanding for them to pressure Hamas with expulsion and/or funding cut to end the war. Qatar wants to play a major role in the rebuilding, and it would be very difficult for them to do that with Hamas still in place there. (I do think there will be a background Qatar-Hamas deal for the terrorists to remain sub rosa.)
Trump has multiple Bribes from Qatar and is Treasonous with them and Saudis
USA should have already seized all of Qatar for being a Hamas partner and responsible for American Deaths Oct 7 and before and after.
Anyone not hammering Trump for this is not a Patriot.
I am Tired of Pussies care more about followers than Defeating Islam (Ban It) and the USA (Trump must be legally executed for Treasons)
Your optimism is giving me hope. I truly want this to succeed and for life in the region to improve for everyone.
It is Not a Good Plan in Any Way
Deradicalizarion is a word not a plan.
You think international peacekeeping forces are going to last long When constantly being killed or maimed by terrorists?
Any plan that leaves NIMs in GJS is doomed because it fails to recognize what Islam is and what the purpose of NIMs in GJS is.
Anyone trusting Trump is literally an imbecile.
Trump is openly in publicly bribed by five Muslim countries and his treasonous with the Saudis and Qatari.
Unlike the Musk bribe which was all front-ended so Musk lost all power immediately (I predicted I think it was before Trump would even sworn in that much would not last long for exactly that reason. His bribe was stupidly structured)
The Muslim country bribes are in the form of business deals with Trump org or Trump family which allows them to maintain control over Trump or Trump/Family loses the value of the deals if they back out
No one in either party should be tolerating this
Even worsen the bribes is the treason with the Saudis and the Qatari
Trump deserves legal execution for the treason in life in prison for the bribes.
Vance is a conspirator with silence and may have more overt participation
I am heartened that your much more informed standpoint corresponds with my reaction.
I would suggest that a pragmatist looks at this in terms of what it would achieve now -- full hostage release of all hostages held in Gaza and of all Palistinian women and children detained since Oct 7, plus men held in admin detention and several hundred convicted of crimes, including murder. Thats a lot of families, even the ones convicted, whose lives will be bettered in the immediate. The end of active military operations and gradual withdraw of Israel military forces and the establishment of an aid program is also a good thing that would happen right away. If we get even that far, it will have been a success.
The statements of principle are really important too; that Israel will withdraw military once hostages are released and Hamas has relinquired power. That it will not seek to annex areas of the West Bank or to depopulate areas of Gaza. That BN agreed to these terms suggests he is willing to put some daylight between his government and the most toxic portion of his political base.
That al-Thani is said to be on board is also potentially significant. If the government of Qatar is on board, that could suggest Hamas will have less ability to claim to accept it but then walk away as they did in July.
Also potentially significant here is the snapback sanctions this week on Iran. That could significantly limit the IRGC's ability to sustain Hamas as a military and terrorist force.
We could get be at a point where there is a real prospect that Hamas remaining senior leadership in the strip agrees to the terms and leaves subordinate Hamas "members" (vague and problematic term in actual context) and affiliated factions to disarm and participate in a peaceful transition or to depart the strip.
IF we get through that phase, and there is an actual release of the hostages, then the question is what it would mean for the IDF to transfer power to an international security force and for there to be an interim international administration.
I think this is an excellent idea; how would it work in practice is unclear. But that can be worked out later. My hope is that if things do get that far, there will be a real effort to bring into GITA the sorts of people who have a demonstrated commitment to a peaceful, prosperous future for the people of Gaza and that would, one hopes , include you.
The Pallies that tortured, raped and abused the Oct. 7 Israeli victims must be brought to justice.
The UN has TWO Conventions prohibiting the taking of hostages, & invoked neither. The Geneva Convention prohibits making war on civilians (including 18 years of Hamas rockets being launched into CIVILIAN AREAS OF ISRAEL. The unreal atrocities visited on those civilians must be avenged. This is not a small thing, & every Palestinian that consented or celebrated said butchery must leave Gaza, at the very least. There must be punishment. This cannot be swept under the rug.
I am encouraged that a sizable % of Gazans recognize that Hamas is evil. That doesn't mean that they are ready to be self-governing. It's a skill & a discipline. But the good news is that anyone can learn & practice it, if willing.
And the vile exterminationist legacy of butcher Haj Amin al-Husseini must be exorcised from the Levant. And Arafat, who died with $4 billion of PLO aid money, intended for the Palestinian people, in his various bank acts, exposed & disavowed.
We will see how it goes. I am hoping, Ahmad, that you may play a valuable part in this. I'm very impressed with your skills & your heart.